Moving beyond. The Siemens Mobility Podcast

Podcast about rail, road and intermodal

As a society we need safe, reliable, sustainable and seamless transport solutions. But how are we going to meet these challenges, particularly with demand set to grow substantially over the next decades? And how do we make sure that people will feel safe again using public transportation amidst the Covid-19 pandemic?

Episode 6 – Suez Canal on Rails – how can a railway transform the everyday lives of millions of Egyptians?

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It’s been described as a project without peer, with the capability to revolutionize transportation and economic infrastructure in Egypt, creating thousands of jobs and connecting the country in a way that’s never been seen before – in short: the Suez Canal on Rails. So how is the vast scale of Mega Project Egypt becoming a reality? And what role do partnerships play in creating a sustainable, long-lasting railway legacy that will impact not just Egypt, but also create a blueprint for the wider Middle East and Africa?


In the sixth episode of “Moving beyond”, our host Sally Eaves is joined by Sara Elkady, Head of Customer Services Middle East and Africa at Siemens Mobility, and Osama Bishai, CEO of Orascom Construction, to assess the challenges faced in tackling such an unprecedented level of transformation. 

Intro and introduction of Sara Elkady and welcome to her (from 00:00:00)


Introduction of Osama Bishai and welcome to him (from 00:01:05)


Starting with a personal take: What does this new project mean to Osama Bishai (from 00:01:26) and to Sara Elkady (00:02:56)


2021: Exactly affects of a new railway to Egypt and to the development of Egyptians. What does that mean to Egypt and the economy? Osama Bishai (from 00:04:43) and Sara Elkady (from 00:06:00) are answering


What about the jobs that will be created by implementing this project directly? Osama Bishai’s point of view (from 00:08:08)


What are those benefits that come from ESG impacts, particularly around energy? Sara Elkady answered (from 00:10:10)


Achiving global climate goals only by having strict emission criteria right across the world. Has this system really fulfilled all the aspects that are needed around European standards? Sara Elkady is answering (from 00:12:13)


Sara Elkady gives more details about the specific technologies that Siemens Mobility is supplying to support all of this (from 00:12:54)


Osama Bishai talks about his contribution to this project, which focuses on the power of partnership (from 00:14:51)


How will look like the timetable and the milestones ahead over the next five years? Sara Elkady answered (from 00:16:06)


15,000 direct jobs being created in Egypt – how Siemens and consortium partners can be getting these employees, and what's the training and education aspect that's involved in this? Osama Bishai’s opinion (from 00:17:11)


Sara Elkady shares the advantage of the key kind of USP really around Siemens Mobility compared to the competition to making this project a reality (from 00:19:25)


Osama Bishai is showing the main advantages at Orascom and what they’re delivering for this project (from 00:21:14) and Sara Elkady confirmes their advantages as helpful (from 00:22:02)

Are there any differences what works better in other parts of the world than in Egypt? Sara Elkady answers (from 00:23:06)


Influencer question by Cyril Coste: “What are important factors when it comes to the maintenance of such a mega project and how can you make such a project future-proof?”, answered by Osama Bishai (from 00:24:52) and by Sara Elkady (from 00:25:56)


Do Osama Bishai (from 00:28:39) and Sara Elkady (from 00:29:20) believe this project now sets a blueprint for other projects, particularly in areas like Africa to take opportunities?


What will they do first, when they’ve reached that project completion point? How will that enable or improve their life at that point? Osama Bishai (from 00:30:41) and Sara Elkady (from 00:32:08) are answering


Thank you and outro by Sally Eaves (from 00:33:18)

Now is the time to build momentum for a mobility shift. Do you want to learn how? If so, this podcast is for you! 

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In a nutshell: Our host Prof. Sally Eaves introduces our brand-new podcast series.

Episode 5 - How digitalization revolutionizes the transportation sector

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Relative to 2005, urban rail traffic worldwide will grow by 180 percent until 2025, meaning that capacity has to nearly triple (1). To cope with this rapid development digitalization is the key to increased availability, automation, connectivity, and sustainability in rail infrastructure. But how is digitalization really catalyzing a revolution in the transport sector? And what can the Internet of Things and cloud-based applications contribute?

In the fifth episode of “Moving beyond”, our host Sally Eaves is joined by Devina Pasta, Head of Digital, Technology & Innovation and Strategy at Siemens Mobility, and Cherie Wong, General Manager at AWS IoT Analytics Services, to explore how digitalization plays a key role in transportation and to make rail the backbone of a truly multimodal mobility ecosystem.


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Intro and introduction of Devina Pasta and welcome to her (from 00:00:00)


Introduction of Cherie Wong and welcome to her (from 00:00:52)


The role of digitalization that surprised they the most, answered by Devina Pasta (from 00:01:10) and Cherie Wong (from 00:01:55)


How digital technologies are affecting transport systems, Devina Pasta is answering (from 00:02:32) and Cherie Wong’s opinion (from 00:03:14)


The role of digitalization affects mobility as a service. How we can go from that to actually extract the data value from it? Cherie Wong is answering (from 00:05:00 and from 00:08:55), Devina Pasta’s thoughts on that (from 00:05:44 and from 00:10:04)


The most important projects that they have been or currently working on in terms of this digitalization of rail based mobility, answered by Devina Pasta (from 00:11:05) and Cherie Wong’s perspective (from 00:13:23)


Affects of pace of change this industry through digitalization and how Devina Pasta sees that particular perspective (from 00:14:42)


The areas digitalization efforts should be focused on to really fulfill the promise of the European rail sector and supply industry's ambition. Cherie Wong’s opinion (from 00:15:46)

What opportunities we can open up when more local solutions are replaced by these cloud-based ones, Cherie Wong’s perspective (from 00:19:26) and how Devina Pasta is seeing this role of cloud (from 00:20:53)


The importance of cloud or edge when it comes to the digitization of rail-based mobility. What are the pros and cons between the two? answered by Cherie Wong (from 00:22:11) and Devina Pasta (from 00:23:56)


What concrete advantages or services for the passenger and operator that can be or already be in heightened really by cloud solutions? What is the origin and use of the data? Cherie Wong is answering (from 00:24:36) and Devina Pasta (from 00:25:24)


How to make mobility more convenient and better for everyone, but at the same time, ensuring it's kept safe and secure. Devina Pasta’s view (from 00:28:23 and from 00:32:22) and Cherie Wong’s opinion (from 00:29:54)


Influencer question by Harold Sinnott: “How will digitalization impact transportation in the next 20 to 30 years?”, answered by Davina Pasta (from 00:33:19) and Cherie Wong (from 00:33:36)


What Cherie Wong (from 00:34:29) and Devina Pasta (from 00:35:22) do in their kind of private or prefessional everyday life that is actually totally analogue?


Thank you and outro by Sally Eaves (from 00:35:44)

Episode 4 - Designing the future – revolutionizing passenger experience

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What makes a perfect train journey? Contactless ticketing? Better seats? Great internet access? The passenger experience is central to every modern railway’s success, and improving it is one of the key questions governing the train designs of the future. So how do we do this, both for work and leisure, while also improving accessibility and sustainability?

In the fourth episode of “Moving beyond”, our host Sally Eaves is joined by Tom Kutscher, Siemens Mobility Vice President of Sales and Bids for High Speed and Intercity Trains, and Christiane Bausback, N+P Industrial Design Managing Director and Head of Design, to share the strategies helping to shape the passenger experience of the future.   

Intro and introduction of Tom Kutscher and welcome to him (from 00:00:00)


Introduction of Christiane Bausback and welcome to her (from 00:00:47)


Christiane Bausback’s favourite thing about traveling on a train compared to all other modes of transport (from 00:01:23) and Tom Kutscher’s favourite one (from 00:02:14)


How satisfying can it be for a creative mind to work as a train designer, answered by Christiane Bausback (from 00:03:43)


The exact meaning of that term “design” in regards to public transportation and trains specifically, question to Christiane Bausback (from 00:05:45)


The length of a typical lifetime of a train, answered by Tom Kutscher (from 00:07:46)


Difference between the design process for a train compared to other modes of transportation regarding lifetime consideration, Tom Kutscher is answering (from 00:08:37)


Christiane Bausback’s perspective on how those considerations do factor into her design process (from 00:09:31)


Tom Kutscher's assessment on how many years ahead he is planning the design for the next train - depending on train type (from 00:11:53)


The perfect vision for an unpredictable future. How can we design now what will be needed in the future? Christiane Bausback is answering (from 00:12:57)


How Tom Kutscher prioritizes different demands and expectations that need to be considered among the stakeholders involved in the design process (from 00:16:48)


From planning to arriving at a destination, how does this affect the design process beyond the actual journey by train, Christiane Bausback is answering (from 00:19:04)


Tom Kutscher's perspective on the extent the rail operators are themselves involved in this process as well (from 00:20:28)


Past, current and future implications for train design in terms of legal standards in the areas of accessibility, inclusion and sustainability, Christiane Bausback is answering (from 00:22:18) and Tom Kutscher’s perspective (from 00:24:51)


The role of design thinking and similar agile methods in Christiane Bausback's work (from 00:26:42)


Audience question by Mark Smith (@seatsixtyone): “Sally, with climate change of increasing concern how might creative interior design help persuade people to switch from plane to train?” (from 00:29:08) Tom Kutscher is answering the question (from 00:29:24)


Impacts of other events, causes and trends that are also leading to change in this sector and Christiane Bausback’s role in her business (from 00:30:42) and on Tom Kutscher’s role at Siemens Mobility (from 00:32:01)


What role do this play for the design of new trains as well? Answered by Christiane Bausback (from 00:33:05)


How Tom Kutscher's experience from the design perspective looks like and what he is looking for into the future train design (from 00:33:54)


How the railroad can develop into a more digital experience, answered by Tom Kutscher (from 00:34:45)


Christiane Bausback's perspective if there are any other cross-industry solutions that we have to take into account in terms of these developments and the design (from 00:36:09)


What they think about this discussion in Europe about night trains as well as the planning and the design of them, answered by Tom Kutscher (from 00:37:57) and Christiane Bausback (from 00:39:27)


Tom Kutscher's opinion if open carriages are an irreversible trend or if there are considerations to return to the old traditional compartment (from 00:40:52)


Impacts of sudden events like the pandemic on planning expectations for future generations of trains, Tom Kutscher’s opinion (from 00:42:45) and Christiane Bausback’s perspective (00:43:46)


What are their favorite seats on train? And what innovation would they like to introduce to trains if they just had one wish? Answers from Christiane Bausback (from 00:44:47) and Tom Kutscher (00:46:08)


Thank you and goodbye (from 00:47:16)


Episode 3 - Crossrail – mega project, game changer, partnership paradigm

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When it comes to a brand new railway with 41 step-free stations, 42 km of tunnels, and the capacity for 250 million journeys a year – then it is all about Crossrail! This mega project is a true game-changer in public transport and will leave a lasting legacy not just for London, but for sustainable, digitalized, urban rail travel around the world. Twenty years in the making, the Elizabeth line, as it will be known, has only become a reality thanks to partnerships and teamwork on a scale never seen before.

In the third episode of “Moving beyond”, our host Sally Eaves is joined by Mark Wild, Crossrail Ltd Chief Executive Officer, and Rob Morris, Siemens Mobility’s Managing Director for Rail Infrastructure in the UK, to reflect on the successes and challenges faced during this ground-breaking project.

Intro and welcome to Rob Morris (from 00:00:01)


Introduction of Mark Wild and welcome to him (from 00:01:13)


Background of Mark Wild and Rob Morris and overview of their relationship (from 00:02:04)

What makes the Crossrail project so special and unique, answered by Mark Wild (from 00:04:20) and answered by Rob Morris (from 00:07:36)


Importance of that connection and what the Elizabeth line is delivering for London and the southeast, answered by Rob Morris (from 00:08:52)


How will this new line integrate into London’s existing transport system? Answers from Mark Wild (from 00:09:51) and Rob Morris (from 00:11:51)


Difference between the Elizabeth line from a digitalization point of view to other metros, Mark Wild’s opinion (from 00:12:35), Rob Morris’s opinion (from 00:14:47)


Is the Crossrail project a standard one for Rob Morris or are there special challenges involved? (from 00:16:21)


What special challenges are there as a result of the frequency of trains using the Crossrail route? Rob Morris’s view of point (from 00:19:25)


What can commuters, visitors or residents expect when the Elizabeth Line begins operating, answered by Mark Wild (from 00:20:56)


What have been specific Crossrail project challenges, answered by Rob Morris (from 00:23:14)


How the challenges of the Crossrail project have been addressed, by Mark Wild (from 00:24:47), Rob Morris highlights teamwork and collaboration benefits (from 00:27:01)


Key milestones of the Crossrail project by Mark Wild (from 00:28:33)


The complexity of Digital Railways, answered by Rob Morris (from 00:30:16)


Benefits of digitalization for customers and users, Mark Wild’s point of view (from 00:33:22)

Rob Morris comments on key operational issues (from 00:34:23)


The outcome and challenges of Crossrail project, with many stakeholders and delivery partners working together seamlessly, by Mark Wild (from 00:35:21), Rob Morris also comments on the topic (from 00:37:01)


How the pandemic has affected the ways of working on Crossrail, by Rob Morris (from 00:39:33)


Influencer question, from Gareth Dennis: What are the skill sets needed for projects like Crossrail now and into the future, and how does diversity and inclusion play a role in this? Answered by Mark Wild (from 00:41:42)


To sum up, a lighthearted question, what is your favorite means of transport to move around London, to Rob Morris (from 00:45:04) and Mark Wild answering (from 00:45:36)



Thank you and goodbye (from 00:46:00)

Episode 2 – Rethinking mobility solutions 

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The urbanization of the world’s population is happening faster than ever before; by 2050, the number of people living in cities will have grown by 2.5 billion people across the globe. Growing urban centers need smarter and more efficient transportation systems, but how do mobility providers meet this challenge in a sustainable way, when the fight against climate change is at such a critical stage? And how can authorities, technology, infrastructure and vehicle companies work together to create an intelligent mobility system, where a single ticket could cover all forms of transportation from A to Z?    

In the second episode of “Moving beyond”, host Sally Eaves is joined by BMW Group’s Vice President Sustainability and Mobility, Dr. Thomas Becker, and Michael Peter, Siemens Mobility’s Chief Executive Officer, to discuss the challenges of transforming mobility into a truly sustainable and fully seamless service.

Intro and podcast description and welcome to Michael Peter (from 00:00)


Welcome to Dr. Thomas Brecker (from 00:32)


More about Dr. Thomas Becker background (from 01:34)

Background of Michael Peter (from 02:16)


Impact of Covid 19 on public transport: Michael Peters point of view (from 03:24)


How transport is part of the problem but can also become part of the solution according to Dr. Thomas Becker (from 05:50)


Michael Peters opinion on transportation options, sustainability and city centers (from 10:20)


Personal health and safety on public transport, bringing different tech together and data security of transport users: Dr. Thomas Becker point of view (from 13:16)


The role of hydrogen in BMW’s future (from 15:09)


Can hydrogen or battery-powered locomotives be a better alternative to electrification of railways according to Michael Peter (from 17:06)


Dr. Thomas Becker’s opinion about differences on the Asian approach to hydrogen (from 19:29)


Michael Peter explains why hydrogen could be a great alternative for non-electrified routes (from 22:01)


The potential of sustainability in the design process and how this can affect the evolution of new business models: according to Dr. Thomas Becker (from 22:58) and Michael Peter (from 25:32)


Sustainable supply chains- answering the influencer question from Antonio Santos (from 27:11)


How Michael Peter sees mobility as a service as a key factor for the future of sustainable mobility (from 30:28)


Whether the breakthrough moment for mobility as a service is still yet to come, Michael Peters point of view (from 32:23)


Dr. Thomas Becker shows the importance is connectivity for everything he’s doing at BMW (from 33:28)


Michael Peter’s opinion if traditional suppliers are equipped to integrate different players into one platform versus new entrants such as specialized companies or start-ups. (from 35:33)


What needs to be done from a BMW perspective in order to realize the opportunity of mobility as a service according to Dr. Thomas Becker (from 36:55)


Final question: Which city in the world and why would they like to live if they imagined a perfect mobility concept. Dr. Thomas Becker (from 37:42) and Michael Peter (from 37:56) are answering.


Thank you and goodbye (from 38:28)

Episode 1 - Innovations for future mobility

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In this opening episode, our host Sally Eaves assesses how vital innovation is to the future of mobility, as she speaks to Google’s Chief Innovation Evangelist, Dr. Frederik G. Pferdt, and Michael Peter, Siemens Mobility’s Chief Executive Officer.

It’s 200 years since railway technology changed society and sparked the Industrial Revolution, in the ultimate transportation innovation. Now, as the Covid-19 pandemic forces us all to rethink how we live, work and travel, our guests reflect on how new rail-based innovations can once again drive social transformation, making mobility safer and more sustainable, while also meeting the challenge of climate change head on. They also reveal the secrets of an innovator’s mindset and how to encourage creative thinking, even when people are negatively biased towards change.

Intro and podcast description (from 00:00) 


Welcome to Michael Peter and Frederik G. Pferdt (from 00:37) 


Whether Frederik G. Pferdt thinks that Silicon Valley is still the breeding ground where the most exciting innovation is thriving (from 01:04) 


Whether Michael Peter believes rail-based systems can trigger another social transformation once through innovation (from 02:18) 


What impressed them most in transportation innovation and what should have been introduced a long time ago (from 04:17) 


Whether Michael thinks the locally emission-free railroad is a sustainable means of transport (from 06:07) 


Why Frederik believes innovations have a particularly hard time at the beginning (from 07:06)  


What thoughts Michael has on the railway industry as an example for the immunity to innovation (from 10:06) 


How innovation should really be defined (from 12:46) 


How Google created an innovation environment encouraging creative thinking, and how organizations can create something similar (from 14:36) 


How you can learn from failure as a team (from 18:21) 


What the learning culture at Siemens Mobility looks like and how managers support creative thinking and innovation (from 21:35) 


Why creativity can be learned as well as unlearned and how to support each other in the team (from 23:15) 


Why the impacts of the pandemic taught us a lot for the future (from 27:51) 


Why the 80-20 rule still applies at Google (from 33:51)  


How employees feel connected and engaged in a hybrid workplace model 

(from 36:02) 


If Michael and Frederik had one wish: What innovations would they like to see? (from 39:13) 


Thank you and goodbye (from 41:02)